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Personally I would avoid the C659/C759. The imaging units are very expensive as well as the other parts. I would go with a C658. Very close design as the C454e you currently use, separate drums / dev units. And you can add a Fiery for better quality. Can probably get an off lease C658 with lower meter, finisher & LCT for under $2k and if it doesn't have a Fiery can get on Ebay for around $250.
Personally I would avoid the C659/C759. The imaging units are very expensive as well as the other parts. I would go with a C658. Very close design as the C454e you currently use, separate drums / dev units. And you can add a Fiery for better quality. Can probably get an off lease C658 with lower meter, finisher & LCT for under $2k and if it doesn't have a Fiery can get on Ebay for around $250.
What Copyman said! Definitely go with the C658. Much better machine in my opinion.
i would honestly look for a different model/make. Tech since 07"and konica is our brand .. I would look for a ricoh pro or a xerox versant 180/280. You can rebuild everything and more dpi. THe C659/c759 go through fusers like no other. The eat sleeves like crazy. Yes the are more "press" models but as a print shop..you need a LCT / straight through feed. The c659/759 does have a lct but it doesn't compare to the diverse amount of material you could use on a pro / versant
Tech since the early 80's. The C658 is very user friendly and drums, transfer belt, fuser, etc, etc can all be easily replaced by end user in less than 10 mins. I have many print shops with BizHubs that the end user does most of the maint & consumables themselves. This greatly increases their profits!
Now if we are talking about the latest models not sure I would recommend the BizHub "i" or "1i"series at this point. And if I was to recommend a different brand it would be a Canon or Kyocera.
Tech since the early 80's. The C658 is very user friendly and drums, transfer belt, fuser, etc, etc can all be easily replaced by end user in less than 10 mins. I have many print shops with BizHubs that the end user does most of the maint & consumables themselves. This greatly increases their profits!
Now if we are talking about the latest models not sure I would recommend the BizHub "i" or "1i"series at this point. And if I was to recommend a different brand it would be a Canon or Kyocera.
Thank you very much, copyman and all the rest who took the time to reply. I will go with C658 with a fiery. I hope in a years time i will be able to purchase accurio press.
Have placed both the C658 w fiery and LCT as well as C759 in fiery in print shops. The C658 does not do well with heavy card stock on repeated long runs. Wears image belt, drums and pre transfer roller. You can off set this by doing a schedule cleaning if inclined for servicing yourself. My C658 held for over 180K clicks before replacing with the C659. So far they are happier with C659. As mentioned above C659 series drums and fuser are costly. C659 black developer will need replacing per PM schedule (never let it spill inside unit ) Drums I get close to spec from them. On C759 handles paper feed well enough but again an lct would benefit you. replace fuser cleaning roller and oil bearings may extend its life.
Always ALWAYS use oem toners and parts.
I place both Ricoh and Minolta and in print shops the Ricoh has been the better performer, but much depend on what you are running i.e business cards,vellum, 2 part forms etc.
Just an added opinion for you to consider. Good Luck!
whats wrong with the 4 you are running now? all the models you are looking at are a downgrade on image quality and reliability.
There is no reliability lost with the "8" series. As for quality the OP said he would add a Fiery which will provide excellent print quality. Like I've already posted I have print shops using the C658 with great success and minimal expense.
We're SOL when the 8 series ages out and the only option is the i series. I've been selling a bunch of the 8s lately. I practically give them away to justify getting an old machine in the customer's office. Granted many of my customers are upgrading from c360s so they are a revelation to them.
We're SOL when the 8 series ages out and the only option is the i series. I've been selling a bunch of the 8s lately. I practically give them away to justify getting an old machine in the customer's office. Granted many of my customers are upgrading from c360s so they are a revelation to them.
Agree, I hated to start selling the "i" series but saw less "8" series coming off lease had no choice. We got spoiled with the 4 & 8 series. I did same thing with "upgrading" over the years with off lease color machines (not counting the old color models CF3102, etc) C203 series to the C220 series, then C220 series to the 4 series, then the 4 series to the 8 series. All nice upgrades and customers very happy. But all good things come to an end. Now it feels like "downgrading" with "i" series.
Like I've posted many times on this forum these new models will hurt Kon/Min in the long run. You would think they would have improved the "1i" series but didn't do much different!
Since I mentioned the old CF3102 in this post something came to mind, not many of the younger techs will know that model but to this day I still say it had the best color quality out of all the color machines I've worked on over the last 40+ years. And that includes some machines with Fierys!
Agree, I hated to start selling the "i" series but saw less "8" series coming off lease had no choice. We got spoiled with the 4 & 8 series. I did same thing with "upgrading" over the years with off lease color machines (not counting the old color models CF3102, etc) C203 series to the C220 series, then C220 series to the 4 series, then the 4 series to the 8 series. All nice upgrades and customers very happy. But all good things come to an end. Now it feels like "downgrading" with "i" series.
Like I've posted many times on this forum these new models will hurt Kon/Min in the long run. You would think they would have improved the "1i" series but didn't do much different!
Since I mentioned the old CF3102 in this post something came to mind, not many of the younger techs will know that model but to this day I still say it had the best color quality out of all the color machines I've worked on over the last 40+ years. And that includes some machines with Fierys!
I've seen in other posts about the great copy quality of the cf3102. My biggest problem with that machine. I'm sure there was a fix for it. The fiery would disconnect from the copier and the customer would have to reboot the machine to get it to work. One customer got feed up with having to do that and replaced it with a machine from a competitor. Seeing how bad the i series is, that particular issue seems minor. I'll be retiring in about 6 years: too late to switch manufacturers. So i series here I come.
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